Pingzapper vs Mudfish from Canada

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Couple of information regarding me and my location :

  • I live in Quebec (Canada)

  • It is/was my first time using a VPN so I didn’t know if I should use a server close to my location or close to the servers (Dallas, some also say Chicago)

Being a Destroyer, I decided I would try a VPN to make my life easier with ani-cancel. I got Mudfish and tried it with the free time they let us use. I chose a server close to me, I believe it was located in Toronto and it felt much much smoother and then time ran out.

Then I decided to try Pingzapper and connected to Dallas 1 (about 50 ping) and I was tired of the 30 mins trial so I bought a month of paid service. I’ve been using Pingzapper for a couple of days now and to be honest I don’t see any difference when I’m using Pingzapper or not.

With Mudfish, I could properly ani-cancel for a really long time, the only time that would block me from time to time is running out of focus cause no buff proc, it felt really smooth.

With Pingzapper, my ani-cancel is the same as if I wasn’t even using it, I don’t see any change.

Do I have a wrong opinion on what VPNs are supposed to be? Am I doing something wrong? Am I supposed to connect to a server close to my location or close to the server, are those 2 VPN services using different methods?

I might just ask for a reimbursement from Pingzapper and use the money instead for Mudfish.

TL;DR : Source of origin → Quebec Canada

Used Mudfish free time connecting to Toronto, much much easier to ani-cancel, could do it for a really long time

Used Pingzapper paid service for a few days connecting to Dallas 1 (50-56 ping), I don’t see any difference in ani canceling if I use pingzapper or not.

Is the problem here, the server I connect to or the VPN service itself?

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Fellow Canadian here at Toronto, considering our T3 ISP routing (to NC’s service contractor only) is so shitty, the best result for me is to connect to a node that as near as possible with a solo purpose of bypassing the default routing, directly link to Dallas usually make it slightly worse.

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What I did with pingzapper was connect Directly to Chicago. From Toronto my routing with just Rogers took my to MTL, then to NY then it hit the problem node in Dallas along the way. Routing with Chicago was much easier.

I prefer to bypass all of Canada itself and go straight to a node that bypasses what ever routing deals Rogers has.

Try connecting to Chicago with PingZapper.

I currently use Mudfish and it’s just so much nicer. So many options and they have nice features to see routing to your nodes and the spikes.

TLDR: Try connecting directly to Chicago. Mudfish is the best VPN in my experience.

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I have pingzapper and have tried everything, chiacgo, ny, dallas, and I still can’t ani-cancel right in arena. I just tried the trial on mudfish and it was night and day. I tried wtfast 3 months back but didnt test it extensively. I bought pingzapper 1 year 2 months ago i doubt they will refund me though T.T. If only i knew about mudfish earlier.

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Why did you pay for Pingzapper when Mudfish worked better for you?

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Thanks for the input! I assume you’re using Mudfish since there are no connections in Canada with Pingzapper.

How has been your experience so far? Did you notice a big improvement?

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I’ll try out Chicago tonight, if I don’t see any change, I’ll probably switch to Mudfish, I did like the interface and it was pretty simple too.

Thank you for the input!

Update : From Montreal, Chicago gave me a lot of delay. How would I have to proceed to see the routing for my connection?

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I tried using WTFast, mudfish, and pingzapper and I don’t see much of a difference. Is it because bell has different routing from rogers?

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Sorry for double reply but wanted to make sure you recieved the notification.

I went back to Mudfish and it already feels much nicer. I just have a few questions regarding the setup. There was this thread about it earlier this week

Use TCP setting for BnS. Don’t enable Full VPN.
Enable Fast Connection. Choose a Dallas server (HostUS or HudsonValley works good). Test the ping with various programs and see zero ping, lol. Don’t ask me why, I don’t know, but as a player with 220-230 ping, mudfish makes my skills more responsive.

Does this seem accurate? Also how do you track down the route to see the nodes or even just see the actual ms

I’m in MTL so where should I put my node to connect? Should I put it in Chicago, in MTL or in Dallas. With pingzapper, Chicago was terrible with delay. If I knew how to see my ping from those various places it’d be great

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Yeah unfortunately they only allow reimbursement 14 days after the payment. WTFast is way too expensive compared to other VPNs so it’s not even in my choices

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I wanted to try Pingzapper more extensively without having this annoying 30 mins relog issue and I also knew I had the option to refund if I bought it less than 14 days ago

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Pingzapper seemed to be so smooth outside arena and during dungeons. For some odd reason, arena servers are different than dungeons and open world. Also pingzapper was so cheap compared to WTFast like 1/3 of the price so i instantly jumped on it thinking it was just amazing. I heard about pingzapper on streamers that live in america though, shouldve looked more into it for canadians.

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Those two didn’t work out for me, I am using WTFast connecting to Toronto 4, gives best result, lowered the ping from completely unplayable in arena (200ms+ with spikes) to around 50ms which as it should from this distance.

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Alright sorry for the late answer, I ran so many blackwyrms yesterday haha. This will be a long post so I’m sorry in advance, I will provide pictures from my results so it can be easier to understand for both of us. Thanks for helping me out by the way :slight_smile:

  • First of all, my general information

  • I see the Realtime Traffic graphic (RTT) but I don’t know how to interpret it. Here’s a quick example of what I get. What is RX or TX bits? Is TX the result I get by using mudfish and RX would be what I would get without and the close to 0, the best it is?

  • I would like to only use Mudfish for BnS. I use dual screen so I alt tab a lot to look up reddit, youtube videos, streams, etc. and my data would probably run out pretty quickly (it’s already draining a lot already but I will give more details in the next point)

  • I see that people usually spend $1-3 per month if they use Mudfish only for Bns but in my case I’ve spent 2 days and already used $0.40 so my settings must be terribly wrong (images will follow)

  • In my case in Setup > Program, this and those are my options. I’m not sure if I should do anything to those settings since I did set it up in Item Blade and Soul (basically doing twice the same thing). If I set up “Program”, does it mean it will use Mudfish for EVERYTHING?

  • Item Blade and Soul Status with its node chart I believe? Here’s also Item Blade and Soul Setup. The reason I’ve been using Chicago is because people said to either use Dallas or Chicago and test between the 2 (from US users though). I found Chicago to be better for my ani-cancel as a destroyer.

Now back to your last post, when you say

Go to Blade and Soul on the main page.

Do you refer to the Item Blade and Soul? If so, here’s a list of a more complete routhing path. I should aim for a low RTT Avg and a RTT Std higher than 0 but the lowest possible?

In the nodes, I don’t see Basic or the Magnifying Glass so I just went down to US Central/East, the nodes in Canada were not flat at all.

From this information I can say that Dallas gives me a high ping but the graph is not spiking, Dallas HudsonValley and SecureDragon would be my top 2 options. Chicago lowers my ping by almost half but higher RTT Std (this is what you consider “Sort by Score” right?)

Main points

I’ve reached a point where I feel I’m doing a lot better in ani-cancel with Chicago - VIG28. The other node I’ve tried was Dallas with HostUS but my data usage is getting spent way too fast ($0.40 in 2 days in about 15 hours of gameplay). I’m scared that Mudfish is running for every program I’m running, whether it be browsing, videos. I also stop Mudfish from running when I’m not playing BnS or stepping out for a while.

As of right now I use BnS item using Dallas server and connecting on Chicago - VIG28 and I also use the Mudfish setting itself to connect on Chicago - VIG28. So basically doing the job twice. If I understand correctly, my data will only be used on Blade & Soul if I got the item running (On) but if I set up Program > Settings it will always be used? If this is the case, how do I restrict it.

Thanks for the time you’re taking to guide me through it and sorry once again for this manuscript hehe

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I see the Realtime Traffic graphic (RTT) but I don’t know how to interpret it.

That’s traffic, I was speaking of the one above that. Like this

  • This that you posted. You want low RTT Avg, low RTT Std. RTT Avg is your average total ping, Std. would be the deviation or how much it’s spiking. Looks like the MTL nodes would work best.

  • Turn off your full VPN (Setup-> Program → Full VPN) thats why your usage is so high. Full VPN literally tunnels ALL your desktop traffic through mudfish. Setting up ITEMS will only tunnel those items.

  • B&S Setup that you posted. Notice the section with “Today’s Paths” those are paths that Mudfish calculated for you. You can choose one of those nodes. Montreal OVH2 looks like it has the best path for you based on TODAYS routing. This can change.

  • In terms of Magnifying Glass. It was in the B&S Item → Setup → Nodes section here. This gives you something like this (After you select dallas). my point about >0 was because in that you notice that the LA node doesnt actually have a working path for me. In this case I would most likely choose the VIG28 node. It looks more consistent, but really any of those nodes are fine. You can use your mouse to go over and see the ping and what its spiking too, its not much.

TL:DR: Turn off the Full VPN in Mudfish’s settings. That will stop your usage. The rest is just a bit of explanation.

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Oh my gawd. You’re truly my savior. I was really not familiar with VPNs but with your ELI5 tutorial, I do finally understand how to set it up.

If routing changes from day to day and even hour to hour, should I always change my nodes or will those selected always stay within the top results? I remember a month ago there were a lot of horror stories about people getting banned mostly cause they changed their nodes too often.

According to the results, I should be taking Montreal - Lunanode since it has the “plateau” status with low traffic and low score (which is good)

I still have one last question, I don’t see the Realtime RTT that you’re showing. EDIT: nvm I had to put FastConnect Mode Off and it appeared.

EDIT 2 : Here’s how I’ve learned how VPN worked

EDIT 3 : Since I’ve changed node from Chicago to Montreal and disabled FastConnect mode (which allows me to see Realtime RTT graph), I’m getting really big delays and makes the game unplayable. I will try to re-enable FastConnect mode (description says : Traffics are handled by in the proxy way not the router.) and test it again and if it doesn’t work, I’ll disable Fastconnect and change node to Chicago

EDIT 4 : Chicago - VIG28 without FastConnect mode : works fine, no delay, no lag Tested on mushin dummies 95 fps 60-90 ping

Montreal - LunaNode with and without FastConnect mode : delay, lag, 40-80 fps 50-300 ping. At some point it said “System Load 1/0/0” but even when it was back at 0/0/0 there was no difference

Montreal - OVH 2 without FastConnect mode : works fine, no delay, no lag. 100 fps, 40-70 ping

Alright I think we got a winner. LunaNode is just bad hehe

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I’ve never tried fast connect, I’m doing that now to see how it affects me. However, I try to avoid connecting to Canadian nodes, especially if there’s a US node like Chicago that has close to the same latency. I just don’t trust Canadian providers at all.

Glad it started working for you!

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I’m starting to see the light out of the tunnel :slight_smile: So far Chicago - VIG28 and Montreal - OVH 2 seem to be the 2 best options I’ve experienced from my location.

Once you figured it out, let me know your results with and without Fast connect :slight_smile:

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and explain to me all this new stuff :slight_smile: